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The Economist: Cu cât mai repede această “pretinsă Moldova” se va reuni cu România... cu atât mai bine!
adăugat 06 aprilie 2010, 15:00, la Integrare Europeană
Un număr semnificativ de români cred că teritoriul denumit în prezent Republica Moldova nu este nimic mai mult decât o provincie pierdută cândva de România, o regiune smulsă de Stalin împreună cu nordul Bucovinei, care face parte actualmente din Ucraina. Cu cât mai repede această “pretinsă Moldova” se va alătura României cu atât mai bine, scrie prestigioasă publicaţie britanică - The Economist.
Publicaţia britanică mai scrie că România încearcă să reîntregească ţara, prin oferirea paşapoartelor române pentru tot mai mulţi moldoveni.
Aceste idei fac parte dintr-un articol intitulat „Un ghid pentru cele mai plictisitoare dispute din Europa de Est”din The Economist şi se referă la conflictele din Balcani: Moldova/România, Bulgaria/Macedonia, Slovacia/Ungaria, Lituania/Polonia şi Ucraina/Polonia. Potrivit autorului articolului, regiunile ex-comuniste stabilesc un standart ridicat în astfel de „probleme plicticoase”şi că argumentele sunt bazate fie pe fapte istorice plauzibile fie pe nişte idei trăsnite.
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You say Lwów, I say Lviv
A guide to Eastern Europe's most tedious arguments
Apr 1st 2010 | From The Economist online
LAST weeks column dealt with the arcane name squabble between Macedonia (aka FYROM) and Greece. This piece was soon the most-commented on the Economists website. That was no thanks to the brilliance of the prose and the lucidity of argument. The subject was one of those issues that attracts bigots, scaremongers and polemicists, with a vanishingly tangential relationship to truth, logic and courtesy.
The article described the row as "the most tedious dispute in the Balkans". The ex-communist region sets a high standard in such matters, so the epithet is not to be bestowed lightly. Here is an outsiders guide to a few of the other rows. All the arguments below are a) historically plausible and b) strike most outsiders as quite mad.
Are you calling me a Tatar?
Moldova/Romania A sizeable number of Romanians believe that what is today called the Republic of Moldova is nothing more than a lost province of real Romania, snatched by Stalin out of spite (along with northern Bukovina, which went to Ukraine). The sooner this "pretend Moldova" rejoins Romania the better. Handing out passports to as many Moldovans as possible brings this nearer.
Bulgaria/Macedonia From a certain Bulgarian-nationalist viewpoint, the idea of a discrete Macedonian ethnicity or language is a nonsense—rather like defining "Texan" as an ethnicity in America. Yugoslav Macedonia was a historical accident, and the sooner the detritus joins Bulgaria the better. After that, it will be time to liberate the brother-Slavs of northern Greece.
Slovakia/Hungary According to hardline Slovak nationalists, the whole idea of a Hungarian ethnic minority in the country is absurd. These people (many of whom are Gypsies anyway) should shut up and get on with being Slovaks: ie, speaking Slovak and thinking like Slovaks. Any other behaviour is a sign that they are still imprisoned by their imperial mindset. If they dont like living in Slovakia, they should go back to Hungary (where, incidentally, the Slovak-speaking minority has dwindled to nothing—proving that it is the Magyars who are the real ethno-nationalists).
Lithuania/Poland Not many people realise this, but most of the people speaking Polish and Belarussian in the area in and around Vilnius are not really Slavs but polonised Lithuanians, the legacy of centuries of forced assimilation. That is a terrible fate, so the right (and kindest) thing to do is to depolonise these people and relithuanianise them. A good way to start is to make sure that they do not get trapped into using foreign Polish letters and silly spellings when writing their names. It is Adomas Mickevicius, not Adam Mickiewicz. Let nobody forget it.
Ukraine/Poland Anyone who spells the capital of Galicia as Lwów is a Polish nationalist who bayonets Ukranian babies for fun. Anyone who says it is spelled Lviv is a Ukrainian fascist who bayonets Polish babies for fun. Anyone who spells it Lvov is a Soviet mass murderer. And anyone who calls it Lemberg is a Nazi. See you in Leopolis for further discussion.
Among the runners-up: "Tatar" is a derogatory and invented name for the inhabitants of modern Tatarstan, who are in fact the descendants of Volga Bulgars. Kievan Rus was not Russian. Any talk of a Ruthenian nation is ill-informed, stupid, possibly mad and the product of Muscovite attempts to split and destroy Ukraine.
Outside pressure has mostly calmed these arguments within formal politics. But on the internet the rows still rage, with tortured facts, arguments and syntax, all mixed with vituperative insults, phoney politeness and seemingly RANDOM Use Of Capital letters. There is a whiff of pyjamas-at-noon, and of people who check their emails in the small hours. Time to get a life?
You say Lwów, I say Lviv
A guide to Eastern Europe's most tedious arguments
Apr 1st 2010 | From The Economist online
LAST weeks column dealt with the arcane name squabble between Macedonia (aka FYROM) and Greece. This piece was soon the most-commented on the Economists website. That was no thanks to the brilliance of the prose and the lucidity of argument. The subject was one of those issues that attracts bigots, scaremongers and polemicists, with a vanishingly tangential relationship to truth, logic and courtesy.
The article described the row as "the most tedious dispute in the Balkans". The ex-communist region sets a high standard in such matters, so the epithet is not to be bestowed lightly. Here is an outsiders guide to a few of the other rows. All the arguments below are a) historically plausible and b) strike most outsiders as quite mad.
Are you calling me a Tatar?
Moldova/Romania A sizeable number of Romanians believe that what is today called the Republic of Moldova is nothing more than a lost province of real Romania, snatched by Stalin out of spite (along with northern Bukovina, which went to Ukraine). The sooner this "pretend Moldova" rejoins Romania the better. Handing out passports to as many Moldovans as possible brings this nearer.
Bulgaria/Macedonia From a certain Bulgarian-nationalist viewpoint, the idea of a discrete Macedonian ethnicity or language is a nonsense—rather like defining "Texan" as an ethnicity in America. Yugoslav Macedonia was a historical accident, and the sooner the detritus joins Bulgaria the better. After that, it will be time to liberate the brother-Slavs of northern Greece.
Slovakia/Hungary According to hardline Slovak nationalists, the whole idea of a Hungarian ethnic minority in the country is absurd. These people (many of whom are Gypsies anyway) should shut up and get on with being Slovaks: ie, speaking Slovak and thinking like Slovaks. Any other behaviour is a sign that they are still imprisoned by their imperial mindset. If they dont like living in Slovakia, they should go back to Hungary (where, incidentally, the Slovak-speaking minority has dwindled to nothing—proving that it is the Magyars who are the real ethno-nationalists).
Lithuania/Poland Not many people realise this, but most of the people speaking Polish and Belarussian in the area in and around Vilnius are not really Slavs but polonised Lithuanians, the legacy of centuries of forced assimilation. That is a terrible fate, so the right (and kindest) thing to do is to depolonise these people and relithuanianise them. A good way to start is to make sure that they do not get trapped into using foreign Polish letters and silly spellings when writing their names. It is Adomas Mickevicius, not Adam Mickiewicz. Let nobody forget it.
Ukraine/Poland Anyone who spells the capital of Galicia as Lwów is a Polish nationalist who bayonets Ukranian babies for fun. Anyone who says it is spelled Lviv is a Ukrainian fascist who bayonets Polish babies for fun. Anyone who spells it Lvov is a Soviet mass murderer. And anyone who calls it Lemberg is a Nazi. See you in Leopolis for further discussion.
Among the runners-up: "Tatar" is a derogatory and invented name for the inhabitants of modern Tatarstan, who are in fact the descendants of Volga Bulgars. Kievan Rus was not Russian. Any talk of a Ruthenian nation is ill-informed, stupid, possibly mad and the product of Muscovite attempts to split and destroy Ukraine.
Outside pressure has mostly calmed these arguments within formal politics. But on the internet the rows still rage, with tortured facts, arguments and syntax, all mixed with vituperative insults, phoney politeness and seemingly RANDOM Use Of Capital letters. There is a whiff of pyjamas-at-noon, and of people who check their emails in the small hours. Time to get a life?
Eparerea pretinsa a UNOR ROMANI, dar nu a ziarului. PAREREA SE VA IMPLINI LA PASTELE CALULUI!
se va împlini, domnule!
Romania trebuie sa realipeasca Basarabia pe calea luptei armate. Daca nu a scapat nici un glont cand a cedat-o, acum sa fie buna si sa introduca armata in Basarabia, sa lupte cu armata de ocupatie ruseasca si sa elibereze acest teritoriu de ocupanti. O parte din populatie se va inrola in armata romana, o alta parte in cea ruseasca. Cine va invinge acela va fi stapan pe teritoriul dintre Nistru si Prut.
Gheorghe, nu vorbi prostii! Ce ne trebuie noua Basarabia, si mai ales de ce s-o luam pe cale armata? Eu cred ca ar fi bine ca noi romanii sa ne vedem de poporul nostru, iar basarabenii sa-si vada de ceea ce le-a mai ramas: adica aproximativ vreo 20.000 de km patrati locuiti de un amestec de populatii de te doare capul. Sa auzim de bine, Gheorghe! Hristos a inviat!
sa-mi explice si mie cineva care-i treaba cu bulgaria- macedonia , va rog. multumesc!
Intre limba bulgara si cea macedoniana nu exista practic nici o deosebire. Acum cativa ani macedonenii au mai adaugat un caz la declinarea substantivelor, dar el era si asa. Bulgarii pretind ca nu exista limba macedoniana si nici natiune macedoniana si le ofera anual cate 10-12 mii de cetatenii, in timp ce Romania dadea din 2002 numai cate o mie, in acest an poate ca vor ajunje la 3.500.
cine putea crede în 1850 că OMUL VA AJUNGE PE LUNĂ ............. CINE CREDEA ÎN 1850 CĂ ÎN MAI PUŢIN DE 10 ANI SE VA REALIZA UNIREA MICĂ ........... CINE CREDEA ÎN 1914 CĂ ÎN MAI PUŢIN DE 5 ANI TOŢI ROMÂNII VOR TRĂI ÎNTR-UN SINGUR STAT . . . . . .CA SĂ AI UN SUBIECT DE GÎNDIRE . . . . . TRĂIASCĂ ROMÂNIA MARE
TU NU VEZI PĂDUREA DIN CAUZA . . . .- COPACILOR. . ,,PATRIOTULE''
TRĂIASCĂ ROMÂNIA MARE . . .JOS BOLŞEVICII
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